religion 47% of the time is the reason people are against gay marriage. it's just all a way of saying that's what the bible says. how did we get past that? how do we get to a point where people stop saying i don't know, my preacher was telling me this, but maybe doesn't make any sense. >> i think it's important that this is civil marriage we are talking about. we're not changing the definition of religious marriage. we do think many religions will choose, we have close to 330 clergy indicating their support for same-sex marriage. some religions will choose not to do so. it's important to understand that this is civil marriage. churches can choose to do so or not. that's really important. we understand the religious freedom aspects as well. >> cenk: the catholic church is going to fight you so the question is given that the hand writing appears to be on the wall, how much are they fighting you and what do they try to do behind the scenes to try to make sure this doesn't pass? >> we're working with all of our colleagues. we've met and sat down with the cath